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Wanting to have sex with all characters in a game just because they are present in the game.
February 18, 2016
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As the title states, I don’t fully understand what seems like a desire to have sex with all the female characters in a given hentai game for the simple fact that they are there.

You might assume I am talking about ARIA,  but this actually has been brought up on all my games stating way back with Vandread Love Quest.

I forgot her name but several players mentioned have a sex scene for the muscular woman you play poker with. I think her names was Gasgone or something. 

In UMCC people were asking about sex scenes with the female teachers, and the lingerie store owner.

And finally in ARIA people wanted sex scenes with the enemy agents and the ally npc characters like Riley and Lynn.

In all three of theses case it really breaks my story set up in to have sex scenes with these characters. And as many of you may know I have higher priority for gameplay and story. So the reason sex happen needs to not only make sense, but it needs to fit within the lore and what I have panned for the rest of the games.

While I believe many people think asking me this is beneficial to them so they can see more sex. It has caused to me to seriously start considering who even appears in a game at all so I can preemptively stop people from ever asking about a particular character because they are not present to begin with. This has been the case with the new ARIA game I am working on and I’m certain will come into play for futures games both big and small.

Wonder what people’s thoughts are on this? Why you do think it is desirable to see sex with all characters in a given game? Do you do this and why? It is due to lack of variety from the sexable characters or what?

What ideas do you have where it can work within a story or a game where it might not make sense for that character to have sex? For example it happens as a dream, etc.

And what ideas can be added to characters that are avaliable for sex that might reduce the desire to see npc or non-main characters want to have a sex scene despite it conflicting with thier personally and/or lore.

February 18, 2016
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I don’t think it’s that they want -every- character to be “sexable”, it’s that a character that they like isn’t. I’m assuming it’s usually lots of people each demanding that every single character to sexable, but that it’s many different people asking for an individual character that they personally like. Together it can feel like everyone is demanding every character be available, but I’m assuming that’s not actually the case.

Just to give a specific example: I’m *super* bumbed Lynn has no scenes in Aria because she’s my favorite character in your games. I personally don’t give a shit about any of the other non-sexable characters in it, I just really like Lynn. 

I’m sure most people have similar situations. But the reality is that if you really can’t / don’t want to work the option in… that’s just too bad for them. It’s not possible to make everyone happy, and you shouldn’t sacrifice your vision to try and do that.

February 19, 2016
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@calibuskingofswords

That makes sense because in you case it might have stemed from umcc?

True some are like that, but the ones that I am referring to literally just mention every other nonsexable character heh.

For example:

http://spiralvortexplay.com/sv…..mment-6357

If you search the page for “lynn” you will see the posts I am talking about. Hard to get links because I am on my phone atm. And again this is just ARIA on this page. Similar posts are on Newgrounds and other places also and for other games.

February 20, 2016
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Yup, pretty much like Calibus said. I was eager for scenes with Riley and Lynn because they are hot, plus as Jeo I thought it would be what I would do. Having said that, there is no way I would want you to do it, Vortex, if it couldn’t be made to fit the story. I’d rather you made up some excuse for the scene like making it a dream or VR or a hologram or something. Or just not have the scenes at all of course. 

I’ve worked on (and intend to finish) stories that I want made into games eventually. While I would try to add stuff that people reasonably want, if it really didn’t fit my vision, as you say Vortex, then I wouldn’t do it. Because it would kind of kill my passion and interest. 🙁

February 20, 2016
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what I have coming should work just not in the way you might expect.

February 21, 2016
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The old mountain climber’s adage “Why do I climb mountains? Because they’re there” seems to apply here.

 

Hentai games generally don’t introduce female characters unless they are sexable. If they do there’s a good reason, like they’re the character’s mom or something. People asking for this is just a result of established tropes within this medium. For instance, you would’t play an RPG and expect to not have to level up your characters or go see an action movie and not see the good guy shoot the bad guy. These are things that people expect to happen and if they don’t then a certain amount criticism is expected. Since you add fan requests to your games, then it would follow that the expected criticism would be followed by requested changes. I understand that this is tiring, but you can’t buck trends and expect people not to comment on it.

I know I’m guilty of this, we had a heated discussion about this very topic relating to UMCH awhile back. However as promised, I’m reserving further judgement until I see the complete game.

As for ways for a character to have sex that isn’t supposed to have sex, idk. Those kind of blanket creative magic bullets are beyond my abilities. I’d be happy to comment on individual cases though.

February 22, 2016
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Brigma said
The old mountain climber’s adage “Why do I climb mountains? Because they’re there” seems to apply here.

However the mountain climber doesn’t effect anyone else to climb said mountain. Least of all the mountain itself. plus it might look like a mountain but it isn’t. Might be a volcano. Works a little differently. you might be dealing with loose soot instead of dirt, air is different, it might erupt, etc.

What you mentioned is true for certain game types that are common and have a relatively small character cast. But it becomes a problem when you want to make something uncommon, plus populate it with enough characters so everything makes sense.

point I’m making is, common game, sure expect common trends. uncommon game, don’t expect common trends.

February 23, 2016
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Vortex00 said

Brigma said
The old mountain climber’s adage “Why do I climb mountains? Because they’re there” seems to apply here.

However the mountain climber doesn’t effect anyone else to climb said mountain. Least of all the mountain itself. plus it might look like a mountain but it isn’t. Might be a volcano. Works a little differently. you might be dealing with loose soot instead of dirt, air is different, it might erupt, etc.

What you mentioned is true for certain game types that are common and have a relatively small character cast. But it becomes a problem when you want to make something uncommon, plus populate it with enough characters so everything makes sense.

point I’m making is, common game, sure expect common trends. uncommon game, don’t expect common trends.

I’m honestly losing the metaphor here.

Making something uncommon was exactly my point. It’s only natural that people question things that differentiate from the norm. I’m not disputing the fact that answering the same question over and over again can get get tiring and even irritating, but I’m just saying it’s expected when you make people think outside the box they’ve come to know and accept.

February 23, 2016
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I guess what you are saying should be expected is exactly what I don’t expect heh.

February 23, 2016
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I totally get the issue you’re bringing up here, and I agree with you for the most part. I mean Lynn and Riley were my favorite UMCC characters just because of how they are as a character, so when they weren’t sexable in ARIA, I was a little bummed. But still, I sorta think that main characters should be sexable and so should most of the characters with names, especially in a game like ARIA, where everyone that has a name has some significance. I mean from the beginning of the game, its obvious that Jeo is everyone’s space-pimp. Still, I think that when you bring back important characters from the prequel in a hentai game, they should have the option. But that’s my opinion. Feel free to reflect, or ignore, you’re the one calling the shots… 

February 24, 2016
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I know I had this mentality before, not with your stuff but with some hentai that have harems but only focus on one girl anyway. I always think, ‘why do they keep going back to this girl? the other ones are way hotter and we haven’t seen them yet!’ but aria doesn’t really have that problem so, I don’t know why they’d think that here. 

 

I would like to see the teachers in UMCH though, but that’s just b/c I like glasses girls and I’m not sure if Roise and Amber are confirmed for sex scenes yet. 

 

For ideas on out of character sex scenes you could have it be something like a recording you find when going around. Like if Lynn has no reason to have sex with Jeo, you could still have a scene with Lynn by having Phia find a recording of Lynn fucking some guy, after she completes a raid or maybe just buys it off a shop keeper. 

This could also work with flashbacks to different events or even a character just fantasizing about it. Though flashbacks could only be used once in a while to not get overused and most characters in your stuff wouldn’t be fantasizing about stuff like that. Except maybe Kyle, Amber or possibly Chris. 

February 28, 2016
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For me only if it’s on point of a persona of the character or the plot. It doesn’t have to be for all character because hey fuck it. Look at that dog or cat can I fuck that too? LOL No I’m not into that shit. LOL I just think focus the story if it add what is going on. But putting it because for no reason but a hentai just doesn’t add well at all.

February 29, 2016
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unticop said
I would like to see the teachers in UMCH though, but that’s just b/c I like glasses girls and I’m not sure if Roise and Amber are confirmed for sex scenes yet.

Given how overtly sexual Roise is in some of the cafe dialogue I would be shocked if she doesn’t have something eventually. She wasn’t one of my favorites in UMCC but only because her character wasn’t as fleshed out as some of the others. I’m looking forward to seeing how different she is in UMCH. Amber is a different story. A few months back Vortex mentioned she isn’t a very sexual character, and while she too has some suggestive dialogue I think this thread might give you a hint.

unticop said

For ideas on out of character sex scenes you could have it be something like a recording you find when going around. Like if Lynn has no reason to have sex with Jeo, you could still have a scene with Lynn by having Phia find a recording of Lynn fucking some guy, after she completes a raid or maybe just buys it off a shop keeper. 

This was more or less in UMCC. The bonus from one of the teachers was that he showed you a vid of two random characters having sex.

March 5, 2016
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When i think about it, it comes down to “why not?”

In a porn game, if there is a sexy character that is not fuckable you remember that and ask “but why?” especially when 90% of characters are fuckable, you meet that 1 you cant and you say “why not?”

You have to remember everything is “sexy” to someone, so in turn every character will have a fan and they will want to fuck them. wether it be there eyebrows, hair color, job, stance(pose), chat(speach) or anything else. “teasing” is a good word to remember here XD

 

You could have allot of fun with ways to “fit this in” to your lore/story.

Dreams are good, you can do almost anything with that. But i like the idea of a “secret” mode or story change of sorts, for example “something happens” idk a curse?, aliens? magic? which turns your character into a futanari that wants nothing more than to fuck everything available. Ahhh god that idea is asuch a turn on for me! urgh!

But with lore and story driven things, you only limit yourself by yourself. You gotta remember its YOUR story/lore do whatever the fuck YOU want.

 

Im a little drunk sorry.

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b00marrows said
But with lore and story driven things, you only limit yourself by yourself.

imo all characters being required to participate in sex or be some kind of crazed sex maniac is what’s limiting. Not doing that is where the freedom is.

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Exactly. As i said, “its your story/lore do whatever the fuck you want.”
You dont have to listen to every request or every piece of feedback, your story, your characters, your game.

People want porn of everything, this is why rule 34 exists. When theres a “sexy” character in a porn game that is un-fuckable it feels abnormal, but you are not required to fill that void in.

I personally am a fan of “sex all the things!” I like the idea of dreaming about it, maybe the hairclip could have an effect on your dreams turning them into more powerfull lucid dreams where you can “do anyone”. Sounds pretty cool to me. 🙂

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My only real contribution is that I think this phenomena should be called “The Slash fiction” effect.

 

I can definitely understand where it comes from, as I tend to look directly at the less prominently feature characters in these types of works.  I still think back the the first Mass Effect for instance, where I was disappointing that Tali wasn’t a romance-able, because she was much more interesting than the others. And of course, was super stoked when she became so in the sequels.  But the important part in that transition was that it was made viable in the telling of how it became a possibility, and enhanced the story and expanded the universe in it’s deployment.

So, while I do desire to see the characters I like take a bigger share of the screen time,  I also still want the situations to remain what seems plausible.  In the Maiko-verse, I liked Joey and Riley the best, and liked the interactions that happened with them.  And while I thought it was kind of cool that most of the characters could be put into almost all the sexual activities, some seemed odd enough that it pulled me out of the experience somewhat.

 

In all, while I believe it it perfectly alright to want more stuff with certain characters and to be disappointed to a mild degree that your favorite is not represented as much as you’d like, it is likewise unacceptable to expect a creator to alter their works to suit your own personal tastes to reflect your preferences.  Especially in a medium such as this, where we are receiving a substantial and well crafted product for free.

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As others have said in most games with sex pretty much everyone is fuckable so we’ve come to expect it.

Essentially, we’re a bunch of Pavlov’s dogs drooling when we hear the bell because that’s what we’ve been conditioned to do.

Although I’m sure in a few cases some people expected sex options just because it would make sense by their logic.

Like, I was expecting an optional sex scene with the book store guy because I thought it would be in-character for Maiko to offer herself in exchange for protecting Savori.

I suppose for others there could also be a sense of “incompleteness” or missed potential.

November 20, 2016
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the483 said
My only real contribution is that I think this phenomena should be called “The Slash fiction” effect.

I still think back the the first Mass Effect for instance, where I was disappointing that Tali wasn’t a romance-able, because she was much more interesting than the others.

In the Maiko-verse, I liked Joey and Riley the best, and liked the interactions that happened with them.  And while I thought it was kind of cool that most of the characters could be put into almost all the sexual activities, some seemed odd enough that it pulled me out of the experience somewhat.

In all, while I believe it it perfectly alright to want more stuff with certain characters and to be disappointed to a mild degree that your favorite is not represented as much as you’d like, it is likewise unacceptable to expect a creator to alter their works to suit your own personal tastes to reflect your preferences.  Especially in a medium such as this, where we are receiving a substantial and well crafted product for free.  

asking about romancable characters or more screen time versus wanting them to participate in sex I see as different topics heh. Well unless it doesn’t make sense for the character to me romancable for whatever reason.

yeah and all character in UMCC participating in all the sex stuff seemed odd enough to me to stop working on the game entirely XD.
I would not have issues with it if all the characters seemed plausable for any of the sex parts based on their personality or story events. Such is the case for a old game I made called vandread love quest.

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As others have said in most games with sex pretty much everyone is fuckable so we’ve come to expect it.

Essentially, we’re a bunch of Pavlov’s dogs drooling when we hear the bell because that’s what we’ve been conditioned to do.

Although I’m sure in a few cases some people expected sex options just because it would make sense by their logic.

Like, I was expecting an optional sex scene with the book store guy because I thought it would be in-character for Maiko to offer herself in exchange for protecting Savori.

I suppose for others there could also be a sense of “incompleteness” or missed potential.  

Yeah the few cases are fine. Those are not really my issue. in UMCH I even added where maiko can try to have sex with savori dad.

My issue is where people only want a sex scene for a character mainly because they don’t have a sex scene. Or at least that is how it seems to me after a brief discussion with that person. Yeah probably from conditioning, or actually makes sense in other game settings they have played.

I guess I just see it the opposite when it comes to missed potential, I don’t potential as if they have sex or not. for me missed potential is making all the girls boil down into either of two things. being open to casual sex (in varying extremes), or having sex in secret while covering it. imo it’s really uninteresting to boil every character down to a one dimensional personality like this.

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I think there are two main reasons it happens. One is because the characters that we are unable to have sex with fill a certain niche fetish, like Alma being a timid teacher or that girl you play poker with being muscular. The other one is the “forbidden fruit effect”: if you can’t have something, you want it more. A very common trait in human

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Yeah the few cases are fine. Those are not really my issue. in UMCH I even added where maiko can try to have sex with savori dad.
My issue is where people only want a sex scene for a character mainly because they don’t have a sex scene. Or at least that is how it seems to me after a brief discussion with that person. Yeah probably from conditioning, or actually makes sense in other game settings they have played.

I don’t think conditioning has that big of an effect. While certainly for some it might be the case, personally whenever I found myself wanting an extra sex scene it was due to it filling a certain fetish of mine. I guess variety is key. Most people have a lot of fetishes and when you multiply that by the big audience that you have, the result is that the minority that gets disregarded feels like they want their fetish fulfilled.

To add to that point, people over-exaggerate the effects of conditioning. I think there are other underlying reasons that are not being considered. I have a bit of a background in psychology, so I do have a fairly solid idea about it.

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