Vortex00 don’t have anything to post about today, I will be working on ARIA later in the day. I normally post about what I did yesterday and this morning. But if you ignore the fact that my car battery decided to die yesterday taking up tons of my time, there is not much to post about lol. some of it was also spent arguing about discussing hentai related topics and replying to comments. So that will be what this post is about until work on the shooter a bit more.
oh ttrop is currently working on Maiko for umch. I was a bit picky about it of course. But all of the character redesigns look pretty awesome imo thoguh. including Maiko.
the topics I mentioned were:
a person PM’ing me saying that no one makes femdom type hentai (it is how I summarize it). Where instead of the man cumming on/in the woman, the woman is squirting in the mans face from eating her out, or similar type stuff. The chick is cumming, the man is not. I had my reasons why that is, but I’d like to see what people think about this first. She claims it is because people are afraid to break the norm. what are your thoughts ?
another topic was about the risk versus reward for creating loli hentai, and how young is too young. This happened after a question was proposed to me about if I like loli hentai. and I mentioned Bri is about as young as I can get with it, or perhaps K-ON characters Mio and Yui, or pokemon girls. You probably can’t even consider those loli but anything looking younger like a toddler or small child is a bit too young for me, even as a cartoon. feel free to post thoughts on these topics, or one of them or whatever.
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it’s not breaking the norm girl orgasm has been done as much as guy orgasm in hentai. but the reason you thin your seeing less of it is the only way for a women to cum on mens face is limited to eating her out or fingering, what is the point limiting yourself when you can do much more
yeah eating vag is the persons fetish and it is not seen much.
but claims it is in high demand, and I’m not convinced of that.
Most porn sites can measure the statistics of which categories and tags are searched or viewed most often by which kinds of people in a given location. Without getting into any of the denser theories on power, gender, and dominance in human interaction–I’ll just say that it’s not my fetish. At all. Moreover, I would argue that the population of people who do prefer femdom are more *active* than *numerous,* and there’s definitely no shortage of it on the internet.
Regarding loli hentai…I think people confuse “loli,” a young, sexually active girl, with “neoteny,” which is the retention of juvenile features in an adult. Bri is a neotenous character; Ari describes her as appearing much younger despite being the same age, and TT attributes this to her artificial origins. Ethically I’m of the opinion that intercourse with a sexually immature individual is wrong, but sexual maturity occurs biologically before we recognize it culturally…so whether the development of sex characteristics or the age of consent are more important can be a point of contention. I’m not going to argue either way, but I hope this helps.
Actually, “lolicon” is defined as an attraction to young or prepubescent girls, and “loli” refers to such a young or prepubescent girl. There IS disagreement on whether it includes clearly young girls who are not prepubescent (IE developed young girls), but saying that a loli is categorically sexually active is incorrect. In any case, the defining features of a loli are a childlike appearance and a lack(?) of secondary sexual characteristics.
While I thank you for pointing that out, I wasn’t defining “lolicon,” I was giving a common definition of “loli,” which is apparently a term derived from the novel Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov. The term loli is commonly used to describe girls of a particular, often juvenile appearance, but “child” would be more accurate. If the definition of the word and its usage are contradictory, it’s commonly assumed that the people are using the word incorrectly. “Fag,” for instance, is slang for cigarettes in the UK and can also refer to kindling, but was adapted into a slur against homosexuality. That said, I thank you for clarifying.
ah so you just need to know that the character is mature enough to understand that is going on. nothing related to too young of a appearance matters?
Well you are giving a hell of a lot of content for almost all types of users. Keep in mind that the consent age are very different in many parts of the world. I forgot but some parts of Europe adulthood is 14 years old. So what may be offended to people in one part of the world. It is not in another part of the world. I guess somewhere in the middle you might wanna go for if possible.
Good point to bring up, I never thought of that.
Actually, if possible you should probably go for the oldest generally accepted age of consent. You mentioned that some parts in Europe, you’re considered adult at 14. In the US, it’s 18. You might not catch any hell from people in Europe for splitting the difference and going for the middle ground of 16, but in the US showing sex between kids aged 16 is still considered kiddie porn. But if the participants are 18, there’s no problem.
I don’t know if there’s anywhere in the world that considers anything higher than 18 to be the age of consent, but if you really want to be safe, 21 is probably best. That said, I don’t know of anywhere in the world that considers anything higher than 18 to be the age of consent, so you might be fine showing 18 year olds. Anything lower than that, though, you run the risk of your content being censored and banned in certain countries.
I would be running way more risks than that even heh. trust that my political response to literally anything will be that they are all over 18 lol. it would be suicide not to.
How young is too young?
That depends on the law: you just do what you gotta do to stay out of jail.
In that respect, making porn is the same as living the rest of everyday life.
My own stance is that the chick was too young to take your dick if taking your dick physically damaged or killed her, as has happened in some reported cases, but not otherwise. It’s a biological question which varies from case to case, simple and plain. Ain’t the stance of most countries though, so you bear that in mind when you’re in them.
As to Femdom and only one party cumming?
I’ve only known one femdom hentai animu, and I found it pretty fucking awesome.
It was one episode and it didn’t get a sequel or a continuation though, so maybe some relevant consumer demographic disagreed. (Well, although I’m sure there can be very many reasons for an animu not getting a second episode.)
“Last order” was its name, or as close to its name as I can figure out from Myanimelist.net.
Was good shit.
Both male and female came in that one, though.
One party cumming and the other party NOT cumming is a different question; neither femdom nor male-dom requires orgasm denial.
If you ask me personally, it’s INFINITELY less hot if both parties don’t cum.
As to why there aren’t many vids where the woman cums and the man doesn’t, I’d assume that’s because orgasm denial is probably a pretty niche fuckin’ fetish.
(I don’t even see that it should exist as a fetish at all, but it doesn, and that fetish ain’t even as weird as they come, either. Just ask the motherfucker who allegedy paid another guy to cut off the payER’S dick, fry it, and eat it. Well now that shit better get you off when it happens to ya, because you ain’t gettin’ any second chances, let me tell ya.
…[though they have penis transplants too nowadays, so even THAT statement isn’t as true as it used to be back in the day. Fuck yes medical technology.])
Now orgasm denial aside, if both parties cum at some point in the encounter, and the question is just why there aren’t as many pics or videos of women squirting on men as there are of men squirting on women to FINISH the video, I’d assume the answer had a lot to do with female squirting being rarer than male squirting.
100% of men ejaculate upon orgasm, but the percentage is smaller for women.
And it just ain’t as much of a good show if the woman just rubs herself off in the man’s face and there’s no sexual fluid involved.
That’s not a money shot.
There’s no spectacle.
(Even the spectacle of squirting can be tainted by fears it’s just the woman pissing, but that’s a whole other can of worms.)
*but it does, not “but it doesn”
you make some legit points here. based on my conversation with this person. having both parties orgasm is acceptable, but if it was just the female that would be the best situation. A complete role reversal from the normal stuff. and a “pretty niche fuckin’ fetish” is kind of my assumption on it on it also. for some kind of pussy whipped males that get squirted on.
I suspect it’s less common, in part, as well, simply because of the social legacy we live with in most of the western world; the fact is there is a rather disappointingly high percentage of sex that ends when the male finishes, whether the female has or not, and that’s just real life, let alone porn.
There’s the social stigma that tells us that ‘males watch porn’, and even though the balance is, well, much more balanced these days, the stigma still exists, so most porn is made tailored to what it is expected that average males want to see… which is then extrapolated into being average straight males, and taken to mean women receiving male orgasms.
A lot like to see women come too, but most material that you’ll find for that is solo; women getting themselves off, or where their climax is the focal point of the shot, rather than it being ‘onto’ the other partner.
I personally enjoy giving oral, both to male and female partners, but that’s because I like bringing that pleasure to them – I don’t particularly get much out of -watching- oral sex, regardless of what genitals it’s being performed on… so I guess my leanings here don’t really weigh much.
you also have to consider the people making porn is considerably less than the people watching it. by comparison to the entire world, this small group of people making porn, more likely than not, are going to make what works best for them historically and probably what they themselves are into.
Sucks about your car man, hope that doesn’t set you back!
And they way I see loli is that it’s not about the literal age of the character but the innocence and physical appearance, and I think it’s cutest from the appearance of around 12-15. Anything below is usually too young and anything above really isn’t “loli”. To me, at least.
Also, that guy messaging you about femdom. Don’t listen to them. Anyone who goes out of their way to complain about something that not only doesn’t effect them, but also they don’t understand isn’t worth your time.
hmm 12 to 15 have any examples? character from certain anime you can reference so i can get a better idea ?
yeah idk i get stuck bickering with people about that kind of stuff. need to avoid at all costs. in fact I will probably start just posting the messages. and they can argue with you guys about it XD
You could probably check out some of Zun’s stuff. Touhou games, etc. Touhou is generally considered “A bullet hell shooter starring lolis in hats”. That said, we don’t actually have any idea how old a lot of the (human) characters are, but many of them (Cirno, Mystia, Wriggle, others) look like they couldn’t be any older than 14.
Ugh, meant to say non-human. There’s no way of telling how old the Youkai are.
for them to be loli most of the hentai found of them seem to have ample size breasts heh
it depends on the drawing I guess.
for example this is hot imo:
this is too young looking ( assuming hentai with this):
this is also acceptable:
this is just me thoguh could be different for others.
the super child body frame is definably not something I am into personally.
Loli isn’t always my favorite either, but all these are super cute.
Look for game images of Mystia Lorelei, Wriggle Nightbug (in Imperishable Night was androgynous enough as to be mistaken for a boy), Youmu, Rumia… and pretty much any of the fairies (especially Cirno). A lot of the hentai of the characters inflated their breast sizes, but these characters are definite loli in the canon of the Touhouverse. Not only in their figure, but also their mannerisms. Youmu is the most mature of them… or maybe the proper word is “serious”. But even she’s rather innocent. It’s probably just the artists not wanting to draw small breasts, or something.
On the borderline side is Marisa, who looks like she could be something like 16 or 17, but has no chest. Similarly, Reimu looks “mature”, but again, small chest. Nitori looks like she could possibly be hiding a chest in her Mountain of Faith game pictures… or maybe it’s just those backpack straps crossing her chest that make it look that way. But she fits the innocent and cheerful young girl mold.
Oh yeah, and I just remembered. The Scarlet sisters, Remilia and Flandre. Remilia is a very ladylike individual, for an ancient and powerful vampire… but has the figure of a 12 year old. Flandre, on the other hand, is quite simply insane. And also has the figure of a pre-teen.
I will take your word for it and assume they would be too young looking for me heh.
I have already posted example images of my threshold anyway
Shadman just started a comic that pretty perfectly displays my target loli age here
http://www.shadbase.com/sleepover/
Press right to continue along the comic for the next page
Those character a bit too young for me heh. It is funny how much Shad hates splatoon thoguh lol.
I guess I just seem them differently. And yeah, he really does seem to hate it XD
Some characters can retain the appearance of prepubescence in their forties. It’s fictional, obviously, but they’re referred to as lolis, or at least as looking like them. Fake-Loli would probably be a decent name for the trope, but Medaka Box features a mother who is described as resembling a twelve-year old: Hitomi Hitoyoshi. Rather than a loli, she’s neotenous.
probably not something I would draw myself. But I’m not drawing stuff for the upcoming stuff so who knows heh.
Lolis FTW!
Femdom is great only when it’s done right. It certainly isn’t for everyone. Do whatever it is that makes you feel right putting in the story~
I doubt femdom will the there, though Luma is kind of into it so well see.
Bri is ok. She comes across to me as legal age but petite. 🙂 Wouldn’t want any more childish than that though personally.
yeah tried to get her looking about in that range. even gave her the younger type voice. giver her a deeper voice would artificially add more age to her and make her seem older and more mature then she looks. An example is Rukia from Bleach
loli I’m pretty whatever about, it isn’t real and it’s not hurting anybody so I see reason to bitch about it. In terms of your stuff though I don’t see much point in going any younger than Bri, since it would look kinda out of place without some creative thinking and changing stuff around. I mean, Maiko suddenly fucking some middle school kids would be really out of place and I don’t see Jeo picking up any kiddies to fuck either.
I figure femdom isnt as big since hentai is primarily marketed to guys and only a certain amount of guys like being shut down and forced to take pussy, whereas all dudes like getting their dicks wet. That and most people making hentai are likely guys as well, which are probably trying to make scenes they themselves would like.
Personally though I like futa on women rape the most. Something about a girl that understands the consequences of getting preggers not caring and trying to cum hard in a girl anyway is pretty sweet. 😀
legit arguments, I would have to agree. assuming the laws are ignored.
Looking at the pictures, above, I’d probably call the upper one closer to chibi than loli, just personally…
As for the loli issue as a whole; I think if an individual is demonstrated as fully understanding of what they’re doing and capable of showing understanding consent, then they are old enough, regardless of what their actual age is. If a girl is twelve, but happens to be a girl who knows full well about sex and sexuality, has a developed sex drive, which is leading her to embark upon sexual encounters fully knowing what she’s doing… then that is -Absolutely Fine-
If not, then rape is rape, and it literally doesn’t matter what age the victim is, at all: we’re already into the territory of a violation that is a terrible crime against the individual, and it is no less terrible on someone who is twenty than on someone younger.
to forestall the expected response that comes of me saying something like that, (I’m looking at you, Shadou, *wink*), part of my personal background for having that stance is biased because I personally started my own sexual life when I was twelve – I was almost thirteen when I had my first penetrative sex with a male, and I’d been experimenting with other sexual acts for almost a year before then. So yes, maybe I’m biased, but I understand very personally and very acutely that it’s entirely possible for someone whom others would class as ‘too young’, to still be willing, eager and understanding of what they’re doing… and I think as long as they are, that’s completely fine.
Beyond that, all of these screen pixels are less than a couple of years old. They’re dots of colour on a screen, without life or sentience, and they certainly aren’t above the AoC. They can be made to portray images of any description at all without harming anyone, and shouldn’t be restricted from doing so. It comes down to personal preference as to how young an individual might like to draw a particular character.
Here’s a fun bit of factual information for you though:
The age of consent being as high as it is is purely a societal construct: it is completely -natural-, -normal-, and biologically -healthy- for males to be physically aroused by and sexually attracted to females that are burgeoning on the edge of puberty and sexual maturity… in our case, that’s usually around 13-15. In our society, any male that -admits- to that gets called a pedophile, but it’s actually normal and healthy, by purely biological and physical standards.
That said, I’m still a deviant on that score; I’m female, and bisexual, but I can enjoy ‘young’ content with female characters drawn as low as the 10-12 bracket… childish frame, completely physically undeveloped. Smaller than that I don’t find appealing at all, but anything up from there is good for me.
-Erica
Don’t look at me. We’re not too many years removed from the time when 14 year olds were inheriting their family farms, getting married, and starting families. Not more than a century, perhaps two. That’s what, 5 to 8 generations ago? My post way up there was more pointing out that, because of those societal constructs you mentioned, putting pictures of graphic sex between anyone under the age of 18 carries consequences. Whether or not we agree with it, that’s the law. Similarly, the age of consent, as determined by whatever governmental body is in charge of such things, has to be followed, or there are extreme legal consequences. There is a lot of uproar in my area, actually, about a number of school teachers that have had affairs with their students. Whether or not it was consensual isn’t even being discussed. It’s being arbitrarily considered statutory rape, and that’s the last word anyone will hear about it.
Fair enough… though you’ve got to admit, that it’s a pretty screwed up system where a girl can initiate sex with a guy, purely for the purpose of getting him in trouble, because the moment she tells anyone about it, she, despite being the initiator and mastermind of the whole issue, becomes legally the ‘victim’, while her victim is treated like a criminal…. all because she’s only been around for fifteen years, and him twenty-five.
Even so… last I checked rules for people and humans in society didn’t extend to fictional character and artistic depictions, provided no real-life models were used… or has the legal system over in America reached a whole new level of stupid? (I’m in Australia, thankfully.. but reports of things from over there continue to maze and horrify me…)
I’m pretty sure that hentai of characters younger than 18 qualifies as kiddie porn here now. :/
In Australia ANY porn that has women dressed up as schoolgirls or has women with a-cup sized breasts is counted as simulated child porn. Even if the women are old grannys. I was shitting bricks when I got the letter about it when I tried to import some dvds from japan. Fortunately it was just a warning.
“has the legal system over in America reached a whole new level of stupid?”
it has.
surprised ? lol you shouldn’t be. yeah if the character looks under 18 it just like it being CP
To be fair, it varies based on the state for the legality of lolicon. CA, NY, and other fairly liberal states are ok with it, but several southern states it’s illegal. Personally I’ve been browsing lolicon for years in these safe haven states.
it is federal. and browsing it vs making it is apples and oranges. Though I agree that you can usually get away with anything in CA.
if you scroll down the the countries, notice at lot of it is sever for the source. it is one reason why I’m not really trying to get too young with this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_status_of_cartoon_pornography_depicting_minors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003
also something fairly recent I found. not in the states thoguh. shout out to the UK lol.
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/anime-fan-convicted-over-illegal-7958896
Not entirely sure on the authenticity of this but it’s a fun little map
I don’t think this applies to me specifically. this talks about importing loli manga.
plus a lot can change is 6 years for a that law that is completely irrelevant in comparison to actual import problems in the country that needs fixing.
The “woman is squirting in the mans face from eating her out” idea is not bad.
What do you think about of male or female sucking hard Maiko’s or other females breast?
In UMCC there are many men and women who speak of Maiko’s breast…
I think ttrop can manage it
well i don`t know what exactly to say… i don`t have any problem with fendom or loli hentai (in fact i have friends who freaking love loli hentai)
so im cool… :3
so no appearance it too young for you?
well yeah depends on her body size too… cuz there is a limit where its not good and with bri… she haves the right size
if you see the images my friends pass me through facebook…daaamn…