Vortex00 Vortex Reads Your Rants
Thanks for the replies on the previous posts. In the future I will try my best not engage people. However I do still want to share some of the stuff that gets sent to me. I will post maybe one more and call it a day. Because I have TONS more important thing that require my attention.
Today we have something sent to me today. Not much to say here. everything is summarized in the reply.
Please note that I don’t disagree with some of the points. Vandread is very far from perfect. But writing a 30 min to a hour long review for a games I made 5 years ago, you need to at least leave 5/10 or something for me to even take you seriously.
if the game was 1/10 you wouldn’t have had that much stuff to write about to begin with.
i cant even post all of this in once pic since it is so long.
lets review.
1) Vandread LQ has over 7000 words of dialogue written over 3 months. Too bad it doesn’t mean anything to this person. it is “very dull indeed”
2) Missing the purpose of making the same scenes for all girls. It is done that way so your favorite character is included in all of the sex scenes available in the game. It has always been controversial in my work, often viewed as lazy, but done intentionally for the aforementioned reason.
3) they remember stuff you already gave them. it is not common in most date games created in 2010. I’m not sure how this is bad. but this game is too old for this to be a concern. a lot of the other complaints will have this response.
4) Auto save? really?. for a hentai date sim flash game made in 2010… just think about that for a minute and let it sink in. on top of the fact this game started development around 2007.
5) It might have been a easy thing to implement a the time. but this game is too old for this to be a concern currently. it is also highly recommended to read the author sections and/or any readmes before playing the game.
6) No I can’t, better have your stuff together before committing to the date, know all the information about the girl, have your gifts ready, etc. Also you can’t keep talking and taking pictures in other games published around this time period.
7) I’m usually on the fence about this, but it too old of a game to be concern now. I would suggest getting headphones, it will help in other situation also.
8) non-specific generic complaint # 1
9) non-specific generic complaint # 2
10) doesn’t realize that in dating games around this time period and in the game specifically, you need to raise stats to get the girl to even bother talking to you, and go on dates, etc.
11) It is not in her character in the Anime it was based on to bang the protagonist.
12) see my #6 response
13) non-specific generic complaint # 3
it really helps to give suggestions. and that is assuming the game isn’t already 5 years old.
14) this person already said he can’t complete the game in the time allowed, so why does he want more stuff to do that wastes time? also there is a tutorial mode that lets players practice moving around and stuff before a battle.
15) then don’t play it. and certainly don’t spend time ranting about it. It is a game that is not even remotely designed for a quick wank. “so disappointing”
16) I made a game about a anime. common sense should tell this person it helps to watch/know about what happens in the anime first. why is this question even asked.
and at the end of this long rant pooping on the 5 year old game by comparing it to modern day stuff, he writes stuff like “sorry I’m so innocent! I just can’t help it! I might be wrong!”
stop it.
I’m summary, I don’t mind negative reviews. It shows people care enough about it to even bother leaving a long winded reply in hope of making it a better game. that can be good at times for some hard critique. But at the very least, check the date first to see if the complaints are even still relevant in the first place.
edit, adding some extra information.
this is another his reviews. he has only review 2 hentai games and the time of post, this and mine.
Vandread has a background story, and and groans, and not censored. at the time this was arguably my best game.
so help me make this make sense.
About Author
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t know what to say about this! That flash is as old as Umichan Maiko v1! ^_^ As a matter of fact it is older than Umichan Maiko v1. Because that was your first big project. I think you had a team when you was creating that flash. Than it was on hold never finish. Your old team just stop so in a way was cancel. You decided that fuck it let me finish it release it. Just to get it out the way. For a very early of your work it was sure ahead of many flash out there in Newgrounds. And still is to this day in Newgrounds. Obviously he must of played everything. LOL
yeah even some other games like Daughter of Eve I just took of NG because of comments like this. Just tired of read stuff like this old games. Writing reviews like I just made it yesterday. I would be nice if you can disable comments for games after 3-4 years or so
This is quite entertaining to read. I would like to see more of this.
I do have one thing to add, though, in response to your closing statement. A review would always be relevant regardless of how old it is as long as the review focuses on critiquing the content. However, it would not be useful feedback if the developer or content creator wasn’t working on that content or type of content anymore.
It does matter how old it is.
because reviewing old stuff assumes much. like assuming I still do these things he mentioned, or that I have not addressed them already, or that I don’t actually do them on purpose. All things that are easily identified by playing anything I made that is much more current.
Yes but a review does not always have to be in the form of critique meant to help the creator. It could be meant to inform everyone of their experiences with the game, and their opinion of it. So no, age doesn’t matter.
Let me be clear. It matters how old THIS game is in term of THIS review.
I’m not talking about “a review” in general, I’m talking THIS review.
the introduction is addressed to me and madpol and the other developers. he is asking others not to be upset. however the content is addressed to the developers. he is not giving his general experience. He is telling me what he wants changed and why.
stuff like this is called critique
and by your own definition:
“However, it would not be useful feedback if the developer or content creator wasn’t working on that content or type of content anymore.”
I have nothing against you but If you can’t understand this, then please stop posting here.
It’s really not that hard to understand why this long review posted on a 5 year old game is not useful to me. especially when I have already outlined the reasons why in the blog post line by line.
This particular reviewer doesn’t like this particular game because essentially
1) It’s too hard for his tastes
2) He doesn’t find the mechanics to be sufficiently explained in game, and
3) He doesn’t find the H-rewards to be sufficiently compelling.
He took the time to spell out examples.
Even if you’ve heard all the points he made before, and even if some of them are points you don’t intend to address or fix because you don’t see them as problems (eg what’sherface not fucking the protagonist), even so reviews over the years can be useful in that you can gauge what percentage of the reviewing population raised a particular complaint and shit like that, whether you intend to do anything about the complaint or not.
And besides, even if the review is addressed to you, by name, age, blood-type, and place of residence, it can still be read by and useful to any others who take the 5 minutes to read it.
Did you just want a higher score, mang?
It is the way it is. it is a old game I not doing any more updates for.
1, 2 and 3 is no longer a concern. I tried to do a good job at the time, and now I’m done.
I’m not sure why you think that way, but as a hentai developer reading reviews and comments for 8 years, It is not useful to gauge complaints over the years that are specific to a game that I’m not working on and/or finished working on. I see that you are trying to generalize it, however nothing he commented on is generalized. they are very specific to this game.
useful to others? perhaps. it is a different topic entirely. but not useful to me, the person it is directed at originally, the reason he bothered to write it in the first place.
If you’re writing a review for a game made 5 years ago, you have to leave a 5 out of 10 to be taken seriously?
What?
Because a game is old doesn’t make it good.
Whether it’s objectively good or not doesn’t mean everybody who reviews it is going to subjectively like it.
WHAT?
I don’t even need to address the 5 years argument. I don’t care if the person thinks it is good. and I certainly don’t think a 5/10 is good.
the person begins by saying the game is special, and then writes a text wall with 1/10 review.
Take note that the person played through the entire game. Idk if you ever played this game but it is long game on the scale of several hours, especially for a person who never played it. In a long game such as this if you give a 1/10… yes I cannot take you seriously. it invalidates the logic of you playing all of it.
In a long game like this if you didn’t like more than 1/10 you would have not wasted hours and hours of your life playing all of it from start to finish. in my experience reading reviews, 1/10 does not keep a person playing a long game like this. you can slice the cake however you want but 1/10 is highly undeserved. And if a person thinks so poorly of the effort I put into the game after all that, I have to think poorly of the review in return.
“And if a person thinks so poorly of the effort I put into the game after all that, I have to think poorly of the review in return.”
There’s that entitlement I’ve been waiting for. Typical. It’s a shame that almost everyone who creates content thinks that they’re entitled to at least 5/10 reviews and thinks that “oh, someone thinks the effort I put into this game is garbage and they didn’t like it? Fuck ’em, I won’t even consider their opinions because they don’t like what I’ve done.” Just because you’ve put a lot of effort into something does not mean that anyone is obligated to think highly of that thing you created or even think it to be average. If they regard it poorly, so be it, but don’t be spiteful and think “if a person thinks so poorly of the effort I put into the game after all that, I have to think poorly of the review in return.” No, you don’t, that’s how a little kid thinks; spiteful and vengeful. “You were mean to me so I’ll be mean to you back!”. The mature and professional thing to do would be to read the review and take into consideration what the person’s thoughts are, and if you don’t want to do that as an artist, fine, just don’t bitch about it and try to act holier than thou. You’re no better than the people you’ve shown thus far in this “series” of blog posts.
Also, if he took the time out of his day(s) to play that game all the way through and write a review that is that long, he is clearly committed. Reviewers at places like GameSpot and IGN do the same thing. Even if they don’t like a game they’re playing, they’ll sit through the entirety of that game until it is finished to write their review of the game, regardless of what the score is, be it a 1/10 or a 10/10. Why do they do it? Because they’re committed, disregarding the fact that it is their job and just because it’s their job doesn’t mean they have to do it correctly. They’ll still get paid regardless of whether or not they play the game to the end, as long as they write the review and it gets clicks and views they get paid. My point here is that these people and people like the one you’re responding to write their reviews because they care, regardless of how little it may seem, about the work that they’ve indulged in. They want to see it and future works improve and want to contribute to that improvement by writing feedback and criticism.
You’ve had your say, ok? You can give it up now.
That’s all great, but if you can present how this review is useful to me that would be even more great. instead of waiting for opportunities to take meaningless jabs at me.
it is not a issue of entitlement. The question I presented was why bother playing it from start to finish if you feel it is of such poor quality. and on top of that, a old game I’m not even working on anymore.
He wouldn’t know if it were of such poor quality if he didn’t play it from start to finish. Many times, people play a game that they know nothing about and see that they’re pulled in when they jump into it for the first few minutes to an hour or so. Sometimes, after that time period, that player could find that some things are lacking in the game and may even dislike it as time goes by but they will continue playing because they are looking for something that could redeem the game in their eyes. And I’d show you how the review could be useful to you but you don’t seem interested in the slightest. If you are interested, do say so, and I’ll analyze it and give you my findings.
Also, JD, mind your business. You were never involved so there’s no reason for you to talk to me.
so I see you didn’t even read my first sentence then.
Your argument has some merit but not much changes in his game from day to day. It is not before long you can see what the game is about, you certainly don’t need play to the end to identify everything in the game and to understand the routine. “no offense” but it sounds like you haven’t played it. both you and Argent for that matter. so you are speculating again on general games while I am more interested on this specific game.
Sometimes I like writing essays too much.
Still, I’mma hit you up with what I think is the answer to your question.
I’ll separate the fuckhuge wall of text into numbered paragraphs, in case you want to refer to them using those at any point in time, or in case you want to go and work on actually important things in the middle of reading, and just want to remember by paragraph-number where it was that you left off.
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1) I’m glad you’re taking a logical approach to the issue even though what’s bothering you is probably at least partially an emotional issue.
2) The usefulness of this specific review of this specific game to you actually basically requires you to look at the specifics in a general way, to work back to the basic premises that might have generated the complaints, and then you’ll be able to consider them in your future game-design.
3) The usefulness of knowing how LARGE a portion of your reviewing audience likes or dislikes certain things is basically just … as data.
You can use it in a lot of ways.
One concrete example is in deciding what to put in and what to leave out in a game, to appeal to the widest audience, for financial or other reasons.
4) Summarising having been completed, let’s get down to specifics.
**Looking at a specific review in a general way**
5) As people, when we reason, we don’t always state our major premises, then our minor premises, then our conclusions, even if our reasoning in a given situation IS actually in the form of a syllogism.
6) It might be easiest for understanding, and thus best for communication, if we did, but it’s just not always how we operate.
7) If you work backwards from the conclusions, though, you can sometimes – and maybe often – (though perhaps not always) GET to the original premises, and you can decide what you think about THOSE from a game-design perspective.
8) I generalised some of his complaints, and brought them into a form that can be applied to game design in general, and considered for utilisation in the future. Probably he should have done that.
But what he provided can still be analysed like that and utilised in that way, and that is basically the usefulness of it.
9) Parts of his complaints 5,3,6,8,12 and 15 can basically relate to my previous post’s 1.
“Shit son, this is too hard.”
You can consider whether or not you want to cater to people who like lower difficulty in later games, whether or not they’re dating games, even. It’s a general game design consideration.
10) Parts of his complaints 5,3 and 10 can also be related to my previous post’s 2.
“Plz explain game mechanics in the game.”
eg. Let me know if I have a limited time, let me know if girls NEVER want the same gift twice, let me know what I have to do to interest them, that kind of thing.
11) Now that’s a game design consideration as well.
12) There’s no actual need for you to explain everything in game, ESPECIALLY when there are clear notes directly below the thing. Some old games had their instructions in completely separate instruction booklets, not in in-game tutorials.
13) Additionally, you might want to leave some things as mysteries to deepen immersion in the game world. Not every game has a fucking LITERAL MAGICAL FAIRY like in Hunniepop to give you hints and expose you to in-game knowledge you might have forgotten. That’s fine, and the decision on how to handle it is up to the game creator.
14) Parts of his complaints 2, 15, and 11 contain things that can be related to my previous post’s 3.
“The [interactions and] H-scenes just didn’t do it for me mang” and he states why in some cases, though not in the case of the interactions.
15) How to make your rewards rewarding and your interactions interesting is always a relevant game-design consideration.
[Now, since he didn’t say why he found the dialogues dull, that part of his complaint 1 in the review is not helpful to you at all in that respect, I believe. It’s also not really that helpful to anyone else. (And I inserted “interactions” in square brackets in my 3 there because I totally failed to put that part of the 3 in my earlier post. After-work postan’, tired as shit, makin’ mistakes, you know how that goes).]
16) Explanation of game mechanics, consideration of difficulty and the target audience, and consideration of how to make H-scenes appealing are all things that are relevant to an H-game maker, which you still are.
17) You’re not going to apply the thoughts and considerations to that particular game, because you’re done working on it.
It is what it is, and that’s how it’s going to stay unless something REALLY strikes you as needing fixing in the game.
That’s perfectly fine, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
We don’t have to work on projects until literal perfection – since that’s probably impossible anyway.
We just work on them until we achieve what we wanted to achieve.
18) But you can apply ’em to future games. Get at the premises behind his complaints, and you can consider them. Of course, the game-design decisions in that game, and in any other game you make, are up to you as the designer – but also of course, if a guy doesn’t like a given decision, he’s entitled to respond by rating the game low.
19) And as long as he has clearly stated what he doesn’t like, that statement functions as data for the game-developer.
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Using past numbers as data to inform future decisions
20) Now up to here I’ve been pointing out some uses the review can have if you hadn’t thought of those general considerations before. But since it’s a 5 year old game, we can ALSO approach it as if we’re assuming that you’re coming from a position where everything he’s raised has been raised already, and you’ve given it consideration already. You’ve made your decisions, and you have your own reasons.
21) So when people just raise the same complaints over and over again, especially on an OLD game, it may seem just like useless chatter. As you said, just why would knowing how many people dislike a certain thing, or how many people dislike even the basic premise that caused that certain thing, be useful to you at all?
22) But the answer is again that it’s useful as raw data that can inform your future decisions.
23) It can show you what you can do to appeal to a larger portion of people, if you want to, or it can show you what you do which will always push aside a particular portion of people, and you can make judgments based on the SIZE of the crowd you’re alienating vs the size of the crowd you’re attracting, if you want to.
24) And you can use that to benefit you when and if you want to, in various ways.
25) A concrete example, though probably not motivated only by this, is your decision to probably keep the rape content restricted to patreon.
You know for a fact that some guys love that shit.
You know for a fact that some guys hate that shit.
If you’ve decided to restrict it to patreon, then those who love it can pay for it (giving a financial benefit) while those who hate it will have less to complain to you and annoy you about (giving an emotional benefit).
26) So there you’ve gotten two benefits right off the bat, and all from data featuring the number of people who whine, and the number of people who don’t.
27) I mean, I still want the rape content in the free version, don’t get me wrong.
And it might not exactly be a bulletproof example.
But I think it is an example of the KIND of usefulness that I’m talking about.
28) If you want to relate one of HIS complaints to one of he complaints you’re considering NOW with ARIA, well, take a look at his complaint number 11.
29) There’s a character in there that you can see and interact with, and she’s a chick and reasonably good-looking, but you can’t fuck her. Your reasoning is that it doesn’t accord with her character. Regardless, though, you can’t fuck her.
30) He’s not a fan of that.
31) Neither am I.
32) And to demonstrate relevance, we can look at it with respect to Aria, which is still currently under development today.
33) One consideration you’re thinking of NOW is whether or not to bother giving all the girls sex-scenes, AND how to make Riley’s character accord with them if you do give them to all of them including her.
34) It’s a very similar consideration situation, but you’re aware of a thing that people think, and you’re aware that some number of people larger than just “1 dude” might think that – and that’s data that can factor into your game-designing considerations and decisions.
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Dem emotions, AKA “Oh u mad”
35) Far as I can tell, you’re sour that he gave you a lowass review score after you spent years of your life working on a game, and he’s sour that the game wasn’t what he wanted to play at the time – and his emotion of sourness is probably the entire reason why he gave it a lowass score.
36) There’s nothing wrong with emotions: we’re all human and we all have them.
They’re worth paying attention to, in making decisions and in any other context.
Basically, my personal approach to them is that they’re much like the score in the game of life: if you’re happy, then you’ve won.
37) BUT.
38) Logic and reason are a foundation from which one can make decisions which are objectively suited to furthering one’s aims, so I’d recommend extracting the things from his review and any negative reviews that can objectively and logically be of value to you, without letting that value be lost in your own emotions.
39) To be potentially valuable in an objective way, a review is good (in the sense that it can be useful) if it
i) States facts about the reviewed game accurately
ii) Expresses opinions on those facts clearly, and
iii) Is at least reasonably clear, so as to facilitate communication.
40) A review that doesn’t accurately state the facts is pretty much useless to everyone, I think, while the opinions may be more useful to the creator than to the readers, and the facts are hella useful to fuckin’ everybody.
41) It’s wonderful if he actually restrained himself long enough to FINISH the game before he scored it, because it means he had at least some form of completion in the factual information he based his assessments on, even if it’s an assessment that you don’t agree with, and one that the MAJORITY of your reviewers pretty obviously don’t agree with.
42) At least he TRIED for a sound factual basis.
43) He might be quite wrong about how other dating-sims were on newgrounds back then, but that does strike me as being neither here nor there.
44) His review did most of the things a review should do to be good, as far as I know, and pretty much the only flaws that I can think of right off the bat are that
>he didn’t pull together his specific complaints under general headings, to assist with (iii), and that
>he didn’t state WHAT PARTICULAR FACTS about the dialogue and shit caused him to find it dull, so as to facilitate (i) and (ii). Anything at all, like “X girls ramble on X topics that I don’t actually care about because Y” might have helped out more than what he put.
45) But apart from that it’s a review that strikes me as being perfectly good in that it potentially has at LEAST the 2 uses I mentioned to you, (especially since you’re still making Hgames and still considering making Dating-sims, even), and that’s completely apart from the usefulness it can have to OTHER readers. So I say you should go ahead and embrace it as such. … And I’m gonna go get a pizza and stop typing walls of text here now.
@argentrain
seems like a review needing this much explanation is not exactly an ideal one. And if he needs to use swear words to convey his dislike then it also unappealing for me bother caring for as it is addressed to me. and saying generic stuff like it “needs more adventurous adventure” is also placed in the category of not useful to me. I’m not talking about everyone else, there is not even a disagreement there, I’m not sure why you keep bringing it up.
Also I will need to correct you that this is not a LARGE portion of people even in the slightest. These are the oddities. I do agree that knowing about a large part is useful.
you describe things as if only started making games recently. I have already came up with what general things I want entertain, and to what people I want to appeal these things to.
I see what you are saying hopefully but the problem with your argument is that when you generalize the complaints they fall into categories I obviously already know. Things that every hentai developer would already know. Thus making it even less useful to me when generalized. It would be different if I was new fresh off the block. Oh so you are saying this guy probably wants, more sex scenes, better tutorials, better voice, better menus, better story, it needs to be easier, more this or that, etc. that is basically every person that both like the game, and also those that do not. or at very least they would not have problems when making more of everything and better existing things in general. That is why I need to deal in specifically specific specifics man. you can poke fun at it all you want. but the reason I need to deal is specifically specifics is because I know the generalization. Most hentai artists do who have at least 1 or 2 games done. it is useless generally, and useless specifically. to me. to other people is a different topic that may or may not be debatable. I’d rather take data from people that like a larger portion of the game yet still have a few complaints. again about 5/10 is my personal threshold about what I can consider fixing.
Speaking of the score. I probably look at it different from the average person. I really see it as how much needs fixing. as opposed to how much the person liked the game. 8/10 means this would roughly require about 20% of this game modified. 1/10 means I can’t fuck with you homie. it is specially true if most of the reviews are generally positive. I’m not about to alter 90% of the game, especially one of 5 years old. It is hard to even “seriously” consider the review and making so many changes before even reading a single word of it. it is where the term I can’t you take you serious really means when I say it.
sure it not a good feeling to receive a low score, however the question is about why bother. and yes I’d actually rather him only play through part of the game, rather than sit through all of it and the end realize he doesn’t like it or continue playing a game he doesn’t like, or w/e seemed to happened here. it is generally rare to happen.
based on his score of the other game he didn’t seem to like much, I’d say the score is based on his opinion of the hentai animations alone. Another contribution to it not being that useful.
of course you are going to define a review that supports your argument. However the question is how useful was it to write to me, not if it fit the structure of a review. Yes I managed to comprehend all of his points, which is why I know it is not useful and curious why he would even bother. In one of his last points, he mentioned that the game is too serious to play, he just wants to “relax and shit”.
then maybe don’t play it?
Am I really saying something that is hard to digest? it seems like if you don’t want to play something then don’t. no one is holding a gun to this mans head. The review describes the not liking the dialogue, the sex, the dating, the gifting items, the card game. that’s the whole game, or a huge part of it. much of which is realized well before the end of the game. seriously a 0/10 sore with “i hate rape” is much more useful
I’ve read tons of reviews both good and bad, and this one seems much more like a venting rant as opposed to a constructive negative review. even if generalize the review myself in they way your described, the fact remains that the review is not generalized as it is written here. And I’m not going to try to make apple juice from lemons if you get what I mean. I’d rather work with something in past that has shown to be workable. If a person is in disagreement with this much of the game. there not much I’m willing to do. which is why I suggest he find something that he does like instead.
Huh.
Interesting to know how you look at scores.
I’m not sure I get what you’re saying, actually, but even if the score means he dislikes 9 tenths of the game, I still say
A) it’s worth considering why he might dislike that 9/10ths and
B) it’s worth noting what number of persons feels that way.
So I still say it’s useful in a general sense and also as raw numerical data.
Anyway, let’s start with the agreements.
**Your agreement with Para 3**
Basically you’re agreeing with Para 3, that having the data that lets you know what size of your reviewing audience likes something is valuable.
And you can see uses if you know what a large portion of your reviewing audience likes or dislikes.
Well, that’ great.
But a large portion is made up of many individuals.
So each individual voicing his opinion adds to that pool of data.
That’s part of the thing’s usefulness.
He’s one guy.
If a lot more feel that way then that’s a lot of guys, and if they say so then you know.
And now you know, from his review, that he is one of an apparent minority that has certain views.
It’s just good knowledge to have.
(Also, in paragraph 3, I wasn’t saying a large portion of your reviewing audience feels the same way as he does.
As a matter of fact, I acknowledge that he’s in the minority, as can be seen from the overall scores your game’s received in the voting, and the overall number of stars your written reviews have as well. (Cf Para 41)
I was saying it’s useful to know HOW large A PORTION of your reviewing audience feels a certain way.)
**Your agreement that reviews can be useful to others**
As to the usefulness of reviews to others, well, it’s good that we agree that it might have value to others.
I brought it up because it’s part of the reason one might write reviews.
You said “stop it” as if you meant stop writing reviews, but it’s a public document which has usefulness to more people than just you.
Even if it’s addressed to you it is still a public document.
So even if you find it useless, and even if you’re right that it’s useless to you (which I still deny, even though I guess you MUST know that better than I do) that’s no reason for him to stop writing such reviews.
It’d be different if it was about people not writing you PMs, which the rest of newgrounds never sees unless you post them.
**My agreement that his review isn’t ideal**
If it did everything I referred to then I’d classify it as ideal.
It didn’t.
I just think it certainly has its uses and MOST of it (not all) is perfectly good for the reasons I gave.
It’s more like making apple juice from apples, than making it from lemons.
A proper review would give you the juice and everything.
But he’s just given you the raw material, the apples, apples and you have to analyse what he’s said to squeeze out the apple juice.
You may not think it’s worth the work, but I say it can be.
Eg. “More adventurous adventure” is fucking vague, and you’ll notice that I didn’t try to bring it into any of my categories.
But hey, at least you know the guy likes adventures, I guess.
If anything I suppose it falls under para 3, raw data? Iunno.
I wonder what he’d think of Aria’s eventually planned content of exploring various planets for monstergirls.
Sounds pretty fucking adventurous to me.
** A real useless review **
The “I hate rape” review with a 0 out of 5 should be about AS useful as this guy’s review or less, not MORE useful.
It states WHAT the reviewer hates, you can imply that there’s rape in the game, and it shows how much the reviewer hates it.
Like I say this one does.
Now, compare what he gave you with a review that’s like 0.5/5 stars: “I HATE THIS GAME”.
Now that’s BASICALLY useless. You know one man hates your game. But you don’t know WHAT he hates about it. You can assume it’s everything. But you don’t even know if it IS everything.
Maybe he doesn’t hate everything.
Maybe he only hates one part of it and he hates that part so hard he won’t even allow the other parts of the game to influence him.
It’s not specific, so you don’t know.
You can’t really even work backwards from that statement to the generalities.
I mean you could TRY, but you’d be swinging in the dark.
It’s not even really useful as raw data because you don’t know WHAT the guy didn’t like. It’s not a number you can note such as “X number of guys doesn’t like Y about my game” because you … just … can’t say what he doesn’t like. It’s guessing.
It’s useless as raw data.
The most it can do is remind you that hey, nothing you do can ever please everybody.
With THIS guy’s review, you know what he hates, and you can consider why he might hate it.
It may be 9/10ths of the game, but at least you fucking know what it IS.
If you’re going to say the two reviews are equally useless to you, “I HATE THIS GAME” and the review he actually gave, which specifies which parts of the game he hates, then I don’t think there’s really anything that conversation can do to clarify that part of the subject between us.
If that’s what you’re saying, then I just don’t get what you’re saying, and I probably never will.
If that’s REALLY what you’re saying, I suppose we might as well stop trying to discuss that part of it.
‘Cause I don’t get it.
It actually is pretty hard for me to process.
**scores and swearing**
As to the swearing, I’d say the swear-words show the strength of the emotion, how much he dislikes whatever he’s talking about.
Same with the score, really.
Like “How much do I dislike what I listed?
FUCKING HALF-A-STAR OUT OF FIVE MUCH, MOTHERFUCKER”.
Etc.
Now when you explain how you look at the score, THAT helps me understand a LITTLE bit more what in the world you could possibly mean by saying you need at least a 5 out of 10 to take a review “seriously”.
I … guess you’re saying if you have to fix 9/10 of that particular game to make the guy happy then you’re just basically not going to do it because it’s too much trouble?
I… don’t know.
I mean, nobody says you have to rewrite 9/10 of the game to make one man happy, especially when in doing that you’d make others unhappy, and especially when those others are in the majority.
That’s true whether the game is new or 10 years old.
I think it’s worth considering WHY he might dislike that 9/10ths.
And the review is useful BECAUSE it helps to tell you why, so you can consider it.
And it’s worth noting that there is A portion of the audience who dislikes that 9/10ths and bearing that in mind when making things.
…I do think the score is just about how much he likes the game, though.
I’d look at it more as a part of his emotional reaction, to be used to judge how strongly he liked or disliked it.
*shrugs*
**Disclosure re having played the game**
I noticed earlier you were talking about me probably not having played the game.
I don’t think it’s actually relevant to the conversation in any way, but since I don’t think it’s relevant, and since I don’t think it actually helps or hurts any of the points I’m making, that means there’s also no reason at all for me to try to mislead you.
I haven’t played it.
I don’t even like dating sims.
The fact that Aria ISN’T one is one of the things I like most about it.
Fo reals.
@argentrain
as for A and B at the beginning
A) it is noted, I read all the reviews I get.
B) so to my knowledge is it very small. you can also see if form the average.
yes the score based on my experience is relatable to how much work I need to do to make said person happy. there are always variables, but this happens enough times for me to roll with it.
yes at the end of the day it is not worth the time imo. going around in circles on a unicycle and tap dancing for people and still not liking it anyway. I’d rather do stuff for the people who already like enough of it to work with. it is very possible that some of those concerns I care about align with his own.
Thanks for clarifying his review and different ways it might be useful to me, and I could go on but I will have to end it there.
I skimmed over your latest response very briefly. not even enough to make a proper reply.
but from my skimming, I see that we agree on some things and we don’t agree on other things. and I agree that I don’t think it will ever get past that. I disagree on what fruit type I am dealing with here but not everyone agrees on everything. at this point it is just a exercise in debating. I think the next one will be about the rape stuff. something you might be interested in. some guy who sent me text walls maybe twice as long as yours.
Heh.
I might read the rape thing out of interest, yes, but my position on THAT topic is basically simple and non-changeable.
It goes :”Well, if you don’t like da rape, too bad, since I do – and fuck you good sir and/or madam.”
“I have nothing against you but If you can’t understand this, then please stop posting here.”
You’re wrong because I can understand it and do understand it. I was making a general statement. If you can’t understand that then please go back to school. Snark is not a good way to communicate with people, especially when they’ve not done anything wrong to you.
Dude, lighten up. :/
I know you want to expand this into a general topic, but I’m taking about a specific reviews on a old game, not reviews in general.
That’s fine but don’t insult my intelligence and try to belittle me by saying “if you can’t understand that, you should probably stop posting here”. You need to work on your social skills.
then stop generalizing a specific topic into broad area.
both of your two arguments veer off into the general nature of “a review”. That’s great but not what I am talking about. Not just any review, I’m talking about this one. How many reviews do you think I have read over the years? I know “a review” is generally useful. I also know when one direct to me is not. and a for a 5 year old game is a instant red flag to begin with. Because a high percentage of it, if not all of it is not something I have concern for because I have already moved on and am getting better. and it is safe to assume after 5 years I have read it already. and one person saying something to me is the same as 100 people saying it.
That doesn’t give you the right to insult me for stating my opinion and thoughts on something, you prick. Grow up.
Vortex, I think this is a case where talking won’t change his mind on anything. Feeding the troll and all that…
dude instead of crying and calling me names, try to make your argument better, you are way off topic. about to be blocked.
I guess my advice for Vortex is just to sift out any stuff you think might be valid and ignore the rest. Maybe 10% of that review had some point and the other 90% was not fair. The fact the reviewer had to say ‘don’t be upset’ and ‘no offense’ shows they weren’t really be constructive.
But, yeah, try not to take it to heart. Try to put your energy in positive directions. 🙂
yeah don’t worry about it. I’m only entertaining this tonight.
I’m sure my argument has validity, which is why it is fine that Chiho can ramble on and on being insulted about other stuff. And why I am fine defending this against anyone. I’m sure he has another name for me coming up.
I’m actually glad he posted here because it is a example of the type of stuff I have to deal with when every so often via private message.
I’m crying yet you keep making these huge posts responding to reviews that are supposedly “irrelevant”? Wow, the irony is lost on you. Grow up, seriously. I don’t give a shit if you block me, you’re a bratty, immature little child who hides behind a keyboard and thinks he’s so smart. I never made an argument, I wasn’t looking for one, I stated my opinion and view on something and you didn’t like it so you tried to be snarky and got what was comin’ to him. Take it like a man but knowing you, you won’t apologize for being in the wrong, you’ll just keep being wrong, like all little kids do. Sad but expected.
I am adult. and yes you are crying and obviously mad. if i was immature, i might use the word butthurt.
you stated your argument and it was deconstructed. And I truly think you don’t understand it. maybe you do now idk, but you didn’t at the time. sorry if you are insulted, but if you present a argument you need to stay on topic. Not even being able to stay on topic means to me that you don’t understand what is being discussed, so I would rather you not post at all.
You don’t act like an adult. It took you far too long to apologize for the wrong you’ve done to me, as opposed to what an actual adult would’ve done, which would’ve been analyzing the situation and then apologizing immediately if any offense was taken by your hand. I did understand what you were saying, regardless of whether you saw it or not, I don’t care. Don’t insult my intelligence like that for no good reason. If my argument was deconstructed, fine, I accept that but don’t expect me to just sit idly by while you throw snark at me and insult me with sugar coated words.
there is no wrong done to you. to me you just seem to be very easily offended. maybe spoiled or something idk, idk you. So if you don’t care and are so very offended you are welcome to leave. Because if you expect me to kiss your ass, you can go shove a sick up it.
as you can see in my final paragraph in the post, I have nothing against this reviewer as a person. this is not attack, the review itself however is not useful. And it is curious to me why he would even bother to leave it when you take into consideration the known facts you can derive from this review. And it is not he first time it has happened which is why I made a post about it. The whole point of this post, the previous one, and the next one is that I can’t understand why people would even do this.
There’s that immaturity again. You have done wrong to me by being snarky towards me for no good reason, insulting my intelligence by saying, “I have nothing against you but If you can’t understand this, then please stop posting here.” You’re basically assuming I’m ignorant of this concept that the review isn’t useful to you, which I’m not. It’s fine that you think it’s not useful to you but it could be useful to someone else who looks at it and reads it and wants to make something just like this. No, I don’t expect you to “kiss my ass,” you prat, I only wanted common human decency, courtesy, and respect, which I’ve given to you. If the point of these posts is that you can’t understand why people “would even do this” then you must be new to socialization and internet culture. It’s called trolling, for one, and two, expressing one’s opinions which everyone has the right to do. There. I just saved you hours more of these silly blog posts.
There’s that generalization again.
the point of the post is because I don’t understand why people would do what I have presented specifically,
not because I don’t understand “people” in general.
you are having a hard time here because you can’t seem to focus on the topic, or even to identify what is being said. from generalizing the arguments, then switching to name calling, etc. every post is a new name call.
obviously this review is not trolling. No point in even discussing that further.
Vortex00, don’t bother on giving Chiho Sasaki such attention, it’s obvious he’s trying to make himself sound right even after you said that you are not insulting his intelligence (which at this point I do consider his stubbornness something insulting). He’s obviously trying to get attention talking about his feelings, blah blah blah. In my opinion, you were just stating an honest opinion, if that guy can’t accept it, then it’s obvious the guy needs to get over his childish and immature behavior.
Either way, keep doing what you like doing and don’t let trolls get the best of you. We all know you do what seems right on your game and that you’ll accept opinions from others.
Thanks and I’m glad someone else noticed this.
I edited this post with this only other review of a hentai game. posted around the same time.
several theories come to mind but I don’t even feel like posting them atm, perhaps later. just curious when people might think when compared to the review posted review. assume neither are even my games because that is not even the point.
I don’t know about this series, It just makes me sad seeing comments and stuff talking like they know their stuff when they don’t… granted the one from earlier seems way stupider than this one but both of them are just kinda depressing…
Keep up your good work Vortex, I know shitty comments are kind of a given for porn stuff. But I’ll keep trying to say something once in a while that’s not awful to balance it out. It probably isn’t enough but I want to try, your stuff’s legit good. I’ve never seen anyone else try anything like it online, or in anything bigger for that matter and it’s pretty cool. Some mooks will fundamentally not get it and just want the same shit they’ve always been finding. I need to go to sleep now so I’ll just leave it there, good work.
Thanks for the comments. Yes even after 8 years or so it never ceases to amaze me how people can be on totally different ends of the spectrum when it comes to my stuff. polar opposites. Not everyone will like it. It is the way it is.
For example, if I generally like something and it seems within reason to suggest changes, sure I’d suggest a few things. I certainly take suggestions to ARIA to heart, and did for UMCC at the time, even Vandread since we are talking about it.
But if I’m playing something and I would end up write a laundry list of issues that basically requires reworking a entire game that no one is forcing me to play, and is noticeably old, and it appears as though the artist has moved on because other title have since been uploaded several years later, I’d probably just consider finding something I actually like instead of making a list such as this about something I don’t. especially if I was looking for something to fap to as he stated towards the end.
At lot of his points were followed by descriptions such as, very dull (multiple times), very disappointing, brutal, too serious, depressing, multiple uses of swear words etc.
and I’m like, well shit man go play something else then. wtf am I even reading and why.
You know what i love? Those people who expect professional quality games from people who are NOT professionals. Yes, that was sarcasm.
I mean, okay some parts of their criticisms can be interesting (though i stopped reading after the “all girls have the same scenes” part so i don’t know if there were interesting parts) but i must applaud your reserve, Vortex!
if it was me, i would have answered something along the line of “you want different sex scenes? Well, join my team. Give us a hand. Draw the scenes yourself and send them to me. No? Then keep your mouth shut. I don’t have all the time in the world, If the choice is between making more sex scenes and making more real contents for the game, i’ll do the latter.”
I don’t mind criticism… as long as the critic keeps in mind that i’m no pro.
It happened on Daughter of Eve but much worse. Apparently not being able to block and not being stunned from taking hits needed to be fixed. However it was done intentionally and I stated that several times. It is part of the reason why I put the little disclaimer that I’m not pro and things are intentionally the way they are on the title screens of my games now. Maybe I will clarify this
this is what I changed it to:
this game was made 5 years ago, great for the year it was created in, and I don’t plan to update it further.
I feel like I should clarify. It is not perfect, but I think literally everything on your list you view as a defect was designed to be that way in the game. From the shared sex animations, to only being able to gift a specific item to a girl only once, the dialogue options you view as lacking, not having a sex animation for gasgone, etc. Even still, I’d ultimately rather just leave the game the way it is for several reasons.
none of these things I view as disappointing or in need of fixing else I would have fixed it 5 years ago. Like I said, not perfect, mostly anything can be made better, but this is at least working as designed. So for that reason, if you feel that way then I don’t think you will like any of my other games. and I would suggest you go find something you DO like from a different artist.
I did try a lot of your games and to me, even the old ones are just classy 🙂
I did enjoy them as far as i remind myself.
I understand that you may feel offended by someone who gives 3,5 stars to a game which doesnt contain stuff, which yours did.
But on the other side, i tend to think about my comments but sometimes even I may dont really think about, what i am telling. But yea…i wouldnt spend an hour then for a comment…well…no idea what that dude were thinking ;D
So, in the end…dont feel offended by trolls and/or retarded persons. And feel free to post any of your future post-answers, im passing often at your side and would enjoy reading them 🙂
Good luck,
Sol
In #14, he complains about not being able to do Vanguard battles whenever? What about the simulators on the training deck? You can use those whenever you want and you even pick up spoils after the battle. The only downside in my opinion was that you can’t pick the mission and that if you’ve unlocked the post-battle scene with the girls then using it for stat training is useless because it completely drains your character.
indeed, you can take the the vanguard out at any time for training.